Yeah I'm not too worried about difficulty. Right now my main concerns are the length of assault sites and the payouts.

I just spoke to Affinity. While the trigger on a single NPC was a fairly awful mechanic, I'm not sure the current solution is as great long term as adding some sort of other objectives.

a future combined factions incursions (maybe a new patch), angels coming to help sansha, or fighting along with guristas to destroy the sansha fleet ... might also be fun for incursions

My 2 cents worth:

People did incursions for the isk and to a lesser extent the communal effect. It took a little time to get a fleet of 10 people together, but after you did, you made good isk. Along with that you got the opportunity to talk to other people via eve-voice, teamspeak or some other voice app. Now maybe the amount of isk made was a little much, but a lot of the people I flew with were PVPers and they took that isk, bought ships and went back to low sec for PVP. It also got to be quite tedious running site after site, knowing what to expect. In fact the only reason why I kept doing it was because I needed the isk.

It's been a couple of weeks since I've done an incursion, but last I seen, killing every ship of every wave sucked. Again we know what to expect, payout has been reduced, and the time to finish a site takes much longer. I've since quit doing incursions. Some may say I should start doing Assault sites as they are the new VG's, but it takes time to get and keep a fleet together, and the bigger the fleet the harder it is to sustain. VG's were good because fleets weren't overly difficult to sustain.

So, with the above in mind:

- reinstate the %10 for VG's
- get rid of the "kill every ship" trigger.

and the one that I think would really sell

- incorporate human interaction on the side of Sansha. Reward them with isk if they manage to kill or stop a human fleet. Not only would that introduce the element of surprise, but you would be creating a second community of player. While they wouldn't actually fly the Sansha ships as this would probably lead to cheating, they could pre-plan some things. I.E.

1. Allow them to pre-plan the defense for the Sansha fleet
- They pick which human ships to kill for priority (basi first, then battleships)
- They define the composition of the Sansha fleet, which ships and how many (within limits)
- They can pick the ship(s) that are trigger(s)
- They dictate the fitting of individual Sansha ships with modules (jammers, neuts, etc...)

The best plans get saved and CCP could reuse them for incursions in general. This line of reasoning could also be applied elsewhere in the game (lvl 4 missions, sleeper sites, etc...)

2. Let people control the logistics arrays. If they see a Deltole going down, they can focus repping power on it. If they do nothing with it, then it simply falls back to being AI controlled.

These are just a couple of examples, but the potential is there to increase the original popularity by a significant margin.

Scout sites need attention due to their trivial reward. The lowest level incursion site should be designed for solo pilots in T1 Battlecruisers. Other sites should increment the difficulty/payout and build to suit small groups in the range of (2-11). Reshape the Vanguards payouts per pilots function to allow the largest viable Scout fleet to be larger than the smallest viable Vanguard fleet, and the largest viable Vanguard fleet to run as the lowest viable Assault fleet. The idea is to make it seamless to move to the next highest site.

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This Thread :/

Are you aware that Vanguard Site's make the blue bar go up? Meaning your pitiful HQ Fleet don't go into Structure, Meaning if the Nerf continue's people will not be bothered to do Vanguards. From what i have heard, It takes 1 hour to do 2 site's? Incursions are a group effort, Evening the guys doing VG's are making a difference.

Fractured, What are you on about, Are you aware that there is a big section of the community who want to farm, If you take notice, Incursions are ran by Alt's who want isk for a Nyx, Or other toy's, A lot of people don't care about HQ's, I am one of them, Yes i enjoy incursions but, I can assure you i am not poking HQ's with a stick, They are slow, Plus Btl and other community's are just idiot's, You are one of them if you think VG's don't need to be revisited again, Yes Dread, There is people who want to farm the hell out of them, ISN is one community that is proud in trying to blitz them as fast as we can, Or shal we all go back into Maelstroms and Abaddons?

HQ is just a reason for more idiots to **** up, But regarding incursion community's aren't Fractured enough, Well how wrong you are, There is community's based in VG's, Assaults and HQ's, We play EVE how we want, Not to all convert to HQ's so you don't struggle to make a fleet of meta 4 guns.



A Tip: We are not all like yourself and "Love" HQ's

Coming at this from a different direction, what about making incursions worth more by making lp worth more? For example, +6 attribute implants to go alongside those +6% hardwirings.

none of those are risk.

I ran VG, I know there's no where in the universe you can die even if the logis got jammed.

noone will suicide gank you if you don't stupidly fit 5b mods on your ship.

EDIT: why do I still bother explain it to these selfish scrubs

2nd EDIT: isnt plex going down???

Good for you. Lose a couple of those ships/modules and maybe it will mean something.

Well considering ISN use's 1 Pith C Type Inv for Vanguards, If we do assaults, Just add a LSE, But are we know getting war threats in this thread now?

QQ

And yet I do not see any of those losses on your kill board. Perhaps you would like to screen cap them? I find it especially odd your HG slave clone does not show up, given that you are API verified, or have Sansha begun podding pilots now?

slave set on bhaal, fail??

EDIT: wrong km, still slave in wh, just prove how tard you are

Then it isn't an incursion loss.


So over an entire year you've lost a couple of guardians and two battleships? And you haven't lost anything in the last seven months? And how much ISK have you generated farming incursions?

you just prove how big the incursion isk fountain is